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Why so close?
For those who play airsoft new and old, it's common knowledge not to shoot someone withing a few feet with an airsoft gun. I dont care if both parties know how painful it can be or not. we just had a team member get shot at VERY close range in the hand breaking the finger of the individual. I find that to be a safety issue with some teams... you should know that you shouldn't shoot if your within so many feet. that can cause a lot of damage and can lead to violence outside of the airsoft match which is something we should all avoid. so try to keep a good distance that u dont cause significant damage to a member/team so its fun for everyone. All i have ot say
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Permalink Reply by Arthur "Lex" Lowther on -
Almost every where I play, and who I play with and teams I know have whats called a "Safety Kill" rule. When to close you yell SAFETY KILL SAFETY KILL and the person you are going against surrenders and returns to spawn. But you have to have your weapon pointed at them first. if its a draw you both surrender and respawn. All about fair play and honesty.
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Permalink Reply by Cougar on -
Oh, Mask. I'm telling you, I'm fine. Enough with this. They know. It doens't need to be crammed down their throats. I swear to you I am fine. I know you guys worry and are protective, and I appreciate it a ton. I am fine though. Really.
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Permalink Reply by Capt.Firedog on -
Just my thoughts on the matter,Leaders,Captains,Generals,Commanders, what ever you call yourselves STEPUP AND DO YOUR JOB! Quit bickering over who is in charge and take charge,IT IS THE COMMAND UNIT THAT IS RESPONSABLE TO KEEP HIS PEOPLE SAFE PERIOD.Every team out there is not Honorable it's your duty to your personel that whomever you play KNOWS,UNDERSTANDS & are willing to abide by the rules.I know it blows to make everyone chrono & sign waivers & field rules but it's a nessesity.If the team is honorable they have no problem with complying.But if they have a problem with rules take a closer look at who your playing.Check out American Airsoft Association website for a good general set of rules of engaugement.Do it with Honor & have fun
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Permalink Reply by Mask on -
well they knew the rules . the rules were sent to them a month in advance. so it was just them not following our rules. So the command unit is not to blame on this incident. it's the person firing the weapon for not following the rules layed out over a month in advance.
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Permalink Reply by Capt.Firedog on
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I agree you've done your part as far as getting the rules out there. It appears that now it's time to look at the teams you play. I dont know all the particulars of this incident and these are just my opinions, but ive seen alot of players that like to run with hot guns and claim to fear nothing. I feel that responsibility still lies with the command unit to prevent it from happening again. Any player that has no regard for safety needs to find a SOLO sport. Playing with a dishonorable team/players is NOT AN OPTION. Im not saying youre a bad leader Mask, im just saying as leaders it is our responsibility to our team to keep them safe and have fun. I would not play with this team again or atleast with that particular player on that team. RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG!! Or maybe this player should attend a bootcamp for airsoft safety, I know you had one going on. lol ;)
Cougar hope you get better soon.
Hope to meet your team on the field someday
Shoot Straight
FIREDOG
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Permalink Reply by Zømbié Øf WÅR on -
The rules were sent to D.O.W I remember, but who's to say how far we are exactly? If someone is shooting at you within the saem distance, doesnt that constitute shooting back? Yes it does. We took fire from Cougar behind the logs even when we continued to get closer & closer, so we took action. Its apart of the game. I would expect any other player to do the same to me. I myself didnt shoot at her at all, but D.O.W 's actions are justified.
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Permalink Reply by Capt.Firedog on
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so they called for a safety I presume.and judging distance is a big part of our sport.Look Guy's I'm just trying to say as Leaders it's our responsability to make sure our teams play fair and with Honor if we dont the sport will die.I dont know what you guys go through to get bad a$$ places to play and im not talking the field out back,like abanded apartments and other buildings,or even the junkyard,but if I cant look a the owner and say I DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HAVE A SAFE GAME I WON'T DO IT.and that includes checking out the teams we play.I would rather parlay out and take it in the back with Honor than to say I was justified and broke another players finger.It's still a game
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Permalink Reply by Saint on -
I don't know the incident, but with our team, We've done a great job at enforcing the minimum engagement rule, and only two people have been shot at close range. Myself, because of my own stupidity and the stupidity of another of my now veterans (This was when we first started though, and we've learned a lot since then) and the other was when a player was looking over his gun with his mag out, and a bb was apparently in the barrel. The gun fell to the ground and the guy grabbed for it, and when he did, some how (1,000,000 to 1 odds) hit the trigger, and his safety apparently flipped off as it slid off the truck, and it hit another player who grabbed for the gun in the hand. I have a picture in my pics.
It was completely up to chance on the second one, but I swear that is how it happened, but long story short. Accidents, mistakes, and flukes happen. That is why it is important to wear goggles that have the propper protection numbers. A broken finger is one thing, but if you are running with regular eyeglasses or the lack there of, then being hit at close range can cause even more problems. The rules aren't there to be picked and chosen between. They are all there to keep people safe.
If you are being fired on within the min engage distance, then play by the rules, and let them know that they are doing something wrong. Usually, if you scream stop on an airsoft field, it'll register in your opponents head. Then do the whole safety parlay thing. Just go your seperate ways. (It's what the rule is there for)
It's a lot of info, but that is my two cents, and I didn't mean to offend anyone, so please don't think this was aimed at you guys D.O.W.
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Permalink Reply by Peter Frysz on -
I know! My friend got shot in the finger and had to go to the hospital and get the BB dug out from his finger. it was in all the way to the bone. he got shot with my friends G&G AK-47 with M130 Systema Upgrade Kit and he still has this gnarly scar down his finger
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Permalink Reply by Warpig [USMC] on -
I agree with this completely. Not only to incidents like this hurt other players, it can cast a dark shadow over our hobby in general. Airsoft gets enough bad media as it is, so its up to us safe, honest players to try and eliminate that stereotype as much as possible. We had an incident at our field recently where there was a very close engagement...one of our members was shot in the cheek and it drew blood, as well as another shot shattering his $100 Holosight. I understand people get startled sometimes, and accidents happen, we just need to be as cautious as possible. If you have any sort of feeling that AT ALL that you may be too close, call a "bang out". Not only is it courteous, but you're saving other players a possible trip to the hospital.
Be safe!
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Permalink Reply by Brady Shelton on -
I don't like asking people to surrender at close range, so I carry one of those pump action spring powered "tri-shot" shotguns in a scabbard on my back. Nothing like sneakin' up on someone, slinging your rifle and whippin' out a 12-gauge shotgun to finish them off. My primary weapon fires at 380 fps with .2s so I use the shotgun for close-end fighting. This one time, our objective was to capture this bunker complex in the middle of the woods and we were running out of time so i pulled out my shotgun when we rushed the bunker and its few weary remaining defenders. As I ran to within 3 feet of a pallet set up as cover, this new guy, sitting cross legged on the ground with his back against the pallet, started to swing his gun around the corner. Seeing that the pallet wasn't really anchored to anything, I just put my boot against it and pushed it over pinning the kid to ground beneath it and putting the barrel of my shotgun to his mask. He just laughed and said "I think I'm just gonna be dead now."
But in most cases, at that range we just selectively shoot a more resilient part of the body like the boot or tactical gear, some thing hard so that they know that they are hit but don't get seriously hurt. The worst incident we've had was about 3 weeks ago when one of my guys bunkered another from about 5 feet with an Echo 1 M4 (380-ish fps) with .25 gram rounds. It was bad. He was bleeding in six places on his arm and back. On the other hand, the guy that got shot wasn't wearing anything under his tactical vest so all six hits were on bare skin, so I guess the fault was shared between both parties.
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